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now, this is my favorite segment of the day, felicia, fresh off the campaign train covering paul ryan and paul cain who knows more than any human being about congress. well, with that intro, paul, don't disappoint me. >> is that an insult? >> no, i meant it as the highest form of compliment. you are talking to a political nerd. i feel like despite the fact we talk about the fiscal cliff all the time there's a level of misunderstanding this panic. it's not that simple. can you explain it in layman's terms? >> sure. . >> pretend you are talking to me. >> all of the tax hikes that are set to kick in on january 1, all the automatic spending cuts set to kick in on january 1, that's what we're trying to beat. we're trying to beat that deadline before all of those things kick in. but there's a way that you can do this so that there's a general agreement. a general framework where they understand that we're going to come up with a deal that can save almost $4 trillion but the implementation of this -- >> the specifics of that bill. >> which tax hikes are set in motion, which entitlement refor
better to say it any way. the man who came in second place for vice president this year is paul ryan. paul ryan, go. >> some of the turnout. some of the turnout in urban areas, which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> president obama won reelection because of high turnout in urban areas. that's what paul ryan says presumably because it makes him feel good to think that's must be what happened. here's what we know. nbc news reporting that in the swing states, president obama did as well as democrats usually do in urban areas. so he did well there, but pretty much par for the course. if you look at the eight swing states the president won, president obama did only marginally better in some of them. two states, he actually did worse. florida was the only state where there was a significant increase. just florida. a state the president didn't even have to win in order to win the election. so paul ryan's theory about how and why they lost, the surprise urban turnout might make him feel better about what happened, but it doesn't explain why. okay. now it's
with free birth control obviously. as for paul ryan, he just can't believe urban americans managed to leave their sad, cramped apartments and tenments and made the long trek to the voting booth. >> i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> apparently mr. ryan forgot his opponents were giving out free birth control. should have seen that coming. now, some in the gop are trying to escape this whirling vortex of deep denial and blame, especially those looking to run in 2016. louisiana governor bobby jindal was out at a mike within hours. >> i absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party. >> well, into which dimension the party is headed still remains very much up for question. let's get right to our panel. here in new york joy reid is the managing editor of thegrio.com. msnbc contributor ari melber is a columnist for "the nation." and in washington m
ask you about the choice of paul ryan to be involved in a negotiation when he has seemed to dig his heels in a fairly ideological way for the last several years? >> well, it's something that speaker boehner has done to exert his influence over the house republican conference. the idea from my conversations with boehner aides is that look, paul ryan is a very popular figure within the house republican conference. any possible deal or compromise must have his fingerprints on it. but make no mistake, alex, this is not going to be paul ryan as the chief negotiator of this deal. it's still going to be john boehner, john boehner's people, they are battle tested when it comes to these deficit deals and having paul ryan in the room is simply a way for john boehner to try to avoid and watch out -- avoid any consternation within his conference and watch out for his flank which as we know from 2011 he's had a mighty difficult time getting things through his group of fellow republicans who are not too keen on any compromise, be much less one in this case that could increase tax rates. >> it see
presidential nominee paul ryan to admit that contrary to what the nra was saying and multi-million dollar ad buys around the country, that actually president obama wasn't changing gun laws to take anyone's guns away. and then paul ryan pulled off his microphone and his handler put that piece of paper up in front of the camera and paul ryan never did another local news interview until he lost the election and the campaign was over. i'm thankful for local news reporter who is work generally in lousy conditions with lousy support for lousy pay, and who do things as wide rangingly wonderful as ktla covering the story of the glendale bear wandering the streets of los angeles, to cbs atlanta, building this wacky graphic to accompany the story of the georgia republican state senators holding a seminar on president obama's mind control techniques, to the political reporter for the abc affiliate in miami who had the big pitcher of water thrown all over him, when he was bravely trying to report on the story of the scandal-ridden now former congressman, david rivera. i'm thankful, specifically, for jam
deductions since the campaign. mitt romney ran on this. so did paul ryan. so it doesn't this weekend like a lot of movement there. despite painting the picture they are getting wobbly on taxes. >> what is going on now is positioning and posturing. you have to get the big boys here. there are four people and you saw them a week ago at the white house. they were optimistic rhetoric about getting a deal done before christmas, before the december 31 deadline. right now, the logic is, this came out of the meetings that were held between the white house liaison and the head of the staff director and the past week. we need large frames that we can offer to the principl princo when they begin negotiation they know where they are headed. >> bret: a lot of focus on the tax issue. republican side. what we haven't heard is the specifics about what the democrats are willing to do on entitlement reform. >> so given the fact of the election, the democrats believe they have an advantage here. don't sacrifice entitlement. you hear now from the leading democrats like dick durbin saying don't go after socia
state university. tonight mitt romney and paul ryan will be joined by their wives on the campaign trail, in westchester, ohio. also joining them is condoleezza rice and senator john mccain. that is at 7:30 on c-span. the amount we have to create an environment that our small businesses can thrive. when we look at the uniqueness on the border different from the reform metered -- needed, we need comprehensive immigration reform. we have a work force problem because of our immigration system is broken. we cannot get workers to go back and forth. these problems create an impediment to commerce. we have to provide a workforce that can move back and forth easily, and now we cannot do that because of the impediments that are there by not having an effective immigration policy. that becomes an economic issue. >> some of the issues have to do with what was raised here with regard to be near the border, seasonal work that comes on, and being susceptible to a national trend when it comes to the economy. we need to do things desperately yuma. yuma, one thing we have to avoid is the sequestration th
't ready. they had just been elected, people like chris christie, people like paul ryan. >> one cycle too soon. >> people like mike pence and mitch daniels, like jeb bush. the republicans have a very deep bench. bobby jindal, a bumper crop of governors and senators as well. >> michelle, molly mentioned chris christie. i will say i was -- i am surprised at the level of criticism he is getting within the republican world. >> absolutely. >> do you buy that this hurts chris christie in any meaningful way going forward? as a potential candidate? >> absolutely not. despite what is happening and the rhetoric going on with republicans who are angry with chris christie, people in new jersey love chris christie. >> his numbers are great. his polling for the handling of hurricane sandy. >> absolutely. and there is something refreshing about the fact he seems to be above politics. he calls it like he sees it. quite frankly, today's republican party has imploded and there is room for a chris christie. there is room for bobby jindal and all the other people we're talking about because they are not your
, congressman paul ryan. we talked a little bit this morning. you know what the first thing he reminded me, he said luis, i was a cosponsor of your original comprehensive immigration bill along with other republicans. we had a wonderful conversation. i'm not committing him to anything on this program. we had a wonderful conversation but the fact is there are republicans who don't -- who look at the election, including paul ryan who are saying you know what? i used to be on the bill. luis, maybe you and i should have a conversation. i look forward -- there are many, many republicans who don't have the view that mitt romney has. they're look at ways to expand their party and to have a different politics in america. >> eliot: look, there are some republicans who never had that view. some republicans who had that view who may be changing for political reasons. that's okay. it is going to succeed. >> you know what ryan told me? i'm not going to do it because it's political. he said i want to do it because it the right thing t
blustering. mitt romney and paul ryan talking about how to pay for their plan but not a single deduction or exclusion they would change in order to pay for it. so from the white house's perspective the way to do this, the right sequencing is let the bush tax cuts expire, pocket the money. do tax reform over the next y r year. if you come up with a plan, if you can get that plan ratified, raising the same amount of money and it's reasonable, we can talk about it. we can do it through tax reform. first the money, you make sure it's real and you lock it in. >> is that the whole reason why this negates a conversation about tax later even though mitch mcconnell has taken to the microphones to acknowledge the money is on the table? >> right. so for them the idea that revenue is on the table is, for the republicans, revenue is on the table means tax reform. they want to do it and the democrats don't buy that revenue is truly on the table. they don't buy when republicans say revenue is on the table and democrats say revenue is on the table that both sides are talking about the same thing. let m
paul ryan and johnstown, colorado. that will be like here on c- span. >> the same course we a ban on will not lead to a better destination. the same path means 20 trillion in debt at the end of a second term that he will not have. it means crippling unemployment. it means that it take, pate, the press take on values, davis stated military and another recession. the question of this election comes down to this, do you want more of the same or do you want real change? >> we know what change it looks like. given more power to the biggest big has not changed. another five trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthy is not change. refusing to eat answer questions about the details of the politics until after the election as deftly not change. changing the facts when they are inconvenient to your campaign, not change. >> tuesday night watch why the election coverage on c-span with president obama from chicago and mitt romney in washington. watch concession speeches conced election speeches tuesday night. american enterprise institute intercollegiate studies institute and leaders of the inst
's schedule today is congressman paul ryan, the house budget chairman. of course was his running mate back during the campaign. paul ryan has a key role in these budget talks of course as well. where they stand, a short time ago vice president biden went to a local costco here in washington, d.c., proclaimed himself optimistic they would get a deal. the fact of the matter yesterday, erskine bowles, a key player as well, saying he is slightly pessimistic. he says there is 2/3 chance they will go off the fiscal cliff. that is not what the markets want to hear, jon. jon: not at all. ed henry at the white house. if jay carney relents and let you into the meeting give us a shot. we'll be on air. >> reporter: i will give you a copy of the menu. jon: please do, thanks. jenna: we'll forget about politicians just for a moment. i promise we'll return there surely over the next couple hours. let's talk about some renewed private sector pushing to really slash the federal budget. a group called citizens against government waste is calling for nearly $2 trillion in cuts the next five years. doug mckelw
, the way i saw it. what mitt romney and paul ryan were doing was to shore up the republican base. the idea in the 21st century anybody would spend any time trying to determine -- and paul ryan is a part of that -- when is a rape ok, and when is rape not ok? someone said the next time they heard a republican questioning something about rape, i want to cut their tongue out. the conversation last night, he had to say that, because he could not eliminate his base. so i guess, the long answer, my point is that they spent too much time cobbling and shoring up their base and not enough time -- cobbling -- coddling and shoring up their base and not enough time elsewhere. they had the edge going into this election, and they blew it. host: calling the pollsters shysters. guest: some of them i would not trust on anything. host: let's go to pennsylvania. independent line, good morning. caller: if you could elaborate on two things. some schools have come out with studies that say if you watch fox news, you are less informed than somebody who does not even watch the news, and secondly -- and that is the
i think. >> i understand that logic. but then why are house republican leaders bringing paul ryan in to sell this to the caucus? paul ryan, whose returned -- i can't even say it -- hunting pheasant, hunting pheasant -- >> venting some steam against what may be an inevitable reality. election day -- i had good vibes and i think millions of others did, because there were clear priorities when people re-elected the president. they wanted jobs and growth and they wanted tax hikes on the top 2%, the richest in this country, who have had all the income growth in this last year. i think, you know, progressives, citizens of conscience, need to be one, reframe this debate it's about jobs and growth and not get deficit obsessed. inside the beltway there's a well-funded campaign to have deficit reduction be the top thing, but it's jobs and growth. bill crystal had a come to jesus moment -- >> in favor of higher taxes. >> their capital gains and dividends and carried interest, private hedge fund taxes, the main thing is that at a time of great economic insecurity, particularly the elderly, wh
're saying why should we compromise when you attacked us on the paul ryan budget and we're still standing? voters voted for us. so i think it's less likely we're going to see kind of a grand compromise because both sides are very entrenched. >> woodruff: even with that small pick-up of democrats in the house and even though the presidential vote was bigger than the overall house republican vote? >> right. i mean that's... both camps, you know,. >> woodruff: we'll have an argument. >> i think when it comes to the .. tre's all sorts of discussion on the fiscal cliff. president obama and speaker boehner are probably more willing to compromise, but their caucuses and their parties are very entrenched. i don't think we know what's going to happen out of this. >> woodruff: we certainly don't. nathan gonzales of the rothenberg political report, thank you for coming back to talk to us. >> thank you so much. >> brown: now that new york and new jersey have been hit by two destructive storms in less than two years, there's new urgency to questionsbout steps to better protect the region. hari sreeniv
democratic attack was on the paul ryan budget. it was on social security and on medicare. now what we have is dozens of republicans who weathered those attacks and they came out on top. so when they come to a fiscal cliff negotiation, they're saying why should we compromise when you attacked us on the paul ryan budget and we're still standing? voters voted for us. so i think it's less likely we're going to see kind of a grand compromise because both sides are very entrenched. >> woodruff: even with that small pick-up of democrats in the house and even though the presidential vote was bigger than the overall house republican vote? >> right. i mean that's... both camps, you know,. >> woodruff: we'll have an argument. >> i think when it comes to the .. there's all sorts of discussion on the fiscal cliff. president obama and speaker boehner are probably more willing to compromise, but their caucuses and their parties are very entrenched. i don't think we know what's going to happen out of this. >> woodruff: we certainly don't. nathan gonzales of the rothenberg political report, thank you for c
of mitt romney's ideas as their negotiating starting point. well, we just -- >> we needed paul ryan actually to help get the job done. >> even having paul ryan talk about it. it's amazing. they decided while mitt romney lost the election, his ideas, they think won. i don't know how they get there. >> i feel like what they're trying to do is say, we lost, never mind but we're going to keep doing what we do. if we keep saying it enough, maybe -- >> i read that -- john boehner's op-ed pretty carefully. here's one thing he said. he said there are three ways to take down obama care, through the courts, through the election -- by the way, both of those haven't worked out -- three through what he called congressional oversight. to me, what he's saying there is congressional sabotage. >> right. >> maybe i'm -- maybe i didn't listen closely enough to, you know, civics back in elementary school, but the job of the congress is to implement the supreme court-backed law of the land. >> that's right. >> to me what he's saying is really quite scary when you get down to it. >> i want to ask -- ther
't mention paul ryan the his tenure as the vice presidential candidate, does that put him out there as the front-runner, that tent you describe, does he not fit as well under that tent that you need to see with the gop going forward? >> i think paul ryan and rick santorum and a number of other candidates who certainly are going to be viable players going forward are also names to watch. but i think that the party standard bearer will likely be somebody who's able to reach a broad coalition going forward. more than just conservatives. and the republican base. whoever it is has to reach a lot more folks. >> yeah. so margie, chris christie, always being talked about for this. does his embrace of the president during hurricane sandy, do you think that hurts or helps him, in tells of both getting a nomination, and then being elected? because that can be two different things. >> i'm a new jersey native. and my stepfather has the same sort of new jersey attitude that chris christie has. i think that attitude, sometimes can be hurtful for chris christie in the case of hurricane sandy,
's right. romney met with his former running mate, paul ryan, a little bit earlier on this morning. he said to reporters that it was nice to see his old friend, his old running mate. paul ryan issued a statement after that meeting and we have a graphic of that. i can read it to you right now, thomas. he said, i remain grateful to governor romney for the honor of joining his ticket this fall. i cherish our friendship. i'm proud of the principles and issues we advanced during the campaign and the commitment we share to expanding opportunity and promoting economic security for american families. so governor romney here meeting with various people at, of course, what is a very critical time. the deadline for the fiscal cliff is drawing near. you have to imagine that that was a large part of romney's discussions today both with president obama and with ryan. >> kristen welker at the white house, thanks so much. >>> we take you back on capitol hill where congressional leaders put much of their energy on the ongoing fiscal cliff negotiations. oklahoma representative tom cole who broke ranks with r
during the 2012 election, running mate paul ryan, as you know, said urban voters gave the president the big margin to win. the critics are saying this is about questioning the democratic get out the vote efforts and mirntds. is it? >> no. when you look at the numbers, that's not really the reason they lost the election. i think they lost the election for two reasons. one, because they were out of step with the majority of american people and two because some of the positions were wrong and people disagreed with them. the reason hispanic voters didn't vote for republicans by a huge margin was because they disagreed with their position. the reason young people did not vote for republicans by a big margin was they disagreed with a lot of their social issue positions on gay and lesbian issues. and so the republicans faced the reality that they're going to have to listen to the american people and change some of their substantive policy positions if they're going to attract these voters. >> you know, j.p., they also lost some largely world battleground states with majorities like new ham
a meeting with his former running mate paul ryan, had a chance to talk to a republican source close to mitt romney who said the meeting went "great." we should get a statement from paul ryan's office shortly. >> jim, who has romney been up to these days? what is he doing now? does he have any plans coming up? >> he has been laying low. you might remember he did tweet out that picture on thanksgiving of he and his wife, ann romney, who was, as we all recall, one of his big weapons during the campaign, inside their house on thanksgiving morning. pretty much not much else beside that. he did have that controversial conference call with his daughters where he made comments that got him into hot water and brought him under criticism within the republican party. we did talk to a couple of sources close to mitt romney yesterday who said that he is subletting space at the offices much his son tag's investment firm in boston, and he is not not joining the firm, so the translation is he does not have a permanent day job, which brings us back to what's happening here. is this just a show of bipartisan
of paul ryan, pushing for scott walker, doing these things that are the kinds of things republicans need to do to draw the contrast with the president in the white house. lou: if i understand correctly, the status quo election will be a complete victory for both parties; is that correct? >> no, not at all. lou: just kidding. >> i know, i know. i think mitt romney was a good man, immediate i don't career -- mediocre candidate with a bad cam payment. you can't lay that on the rnc. lou: i've never seen an instance where the republican national committee was held responsible for a campaign, ever. great to see you both. the hair looks great there. >> thank you. lou: i understand it's the result -- >> oh, wow. >> i permly learned the -- personally learned the consequences of losing, lou. i lost the bet. lou: also the consequences that lead to doing good for a charity. thank you. >> thank you. lou: war producing heros and tragedies, too many to count, outpost in afghanistan, and detailed accurately by jake tapper in the new book "the outpost," ed henry gave me permission to talk with him tonigh
eastwood episode. did not change a lot of minds. the selection of paul ryan was a pretty strong selection. he turned out to be a very strong campaigner. i think he certainly please the conservative base. on the other hand, the challenger did not win wisconsin so didn't pay off in that regard. but the first debate absolutely did pay off. romney came in very well prepared for a lot of people who predisposed to not like him, he came off as presidential, very smart, very comfortable with himself, and clearly it was obvious that the president had prepared for the wrong debate. he clearly had prepared for romney to take a host of positions that he did not push forward in that first debate. romney had his chance for a comeback. he just was not able to keep it going in the debates that followed. now, three quick and narratives that turned out to be true about the american public. one is a think americans want to be hopeful. during an election like this, they want to be inspired to want to be told the world can be better. this is the main reason obama was elected the first time around. it was a lo
going to win. we heard mitt romney did and ann romney did. >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan did. did you believe on election day you were going to win? >> i thought between the end of the debates, the debate season and the onset of the storm, we had tremendous momentum. >> yeah. >> we saw it in our internal data, saw it in some of the external data, the public data and saw it on the ground. we would go to rallies, people standing in lines, thousand for hours. >> what happened? why was your internal data so flawed? why was it so wrong? >> i think a couple things. one, there is a -- some kind of systemic crisis today in the world of polling, i think on the right of center polling. the modeling was way off. how pollsters on the republican side -- although not just the republican side. gallup polling, rasmussen made similar mistakes. the understanding, the electorate looked like was way off. >> first of all, you know rasmussen is a republican poll. >> gallup? i'm not letting anyone off the hook. i'm saying there is -- look the republican establishment needs to do an audit and figure out how
side not interested so far. >> i know you just ran into paul ryan who is romney's running mate there on capitol hill. what did he tell you about the lunch between romney and the president? >> reporter: i was just running down stairs to grab something to drink and i -- the basement and there alone talking to a reporter was paul ryan back to being a regular congressman. he will meet with romney later this afternoon an romney has lunch at the white house with the president. i overheard ryan as i went by and stopped listened for a southern california say he is a friend of mine, good to see him but talk about a big change. a month ago jetting all over the country, now just another congressman. >> it would be safe to assume that at lunch there will be a discussion about the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: i would think but i don't know what to think about what's going on. have you to believe first it's one of the most awkward meetings, that's got to eat at you from the inside out. >> yeah. and there was not a lot of love lost during the debates. that's part of politics. >> reporter: you
to make. we had that movie a year-and-a-half ago where paul ryan presented a budget. serious real budget. with real cuts. obama was supposed to gave speech where he would respond with a counter offer. what did he do? he gave a speech with ryan on the front row. he called the ryan proposal un-american, insulted him. offered nothing and ran on mediscare in the next 18 mont months. they expect the republicans will do this again? republicans will walk on this. i think they have leverage. yes, for congressional democrats it will help them in the future if the republicans absorb the blame because we will have a recession. obama is not running again unlike the congressional democrats. he is going to have a recession. 90% unemployment, 2 million more unemployed. second term that will be a ruin. that is not a good proposition if you are barack obama. >> bret: before you respond to that, a.b., there is one thing that speaker boehner talked about today, leverage wise. that is tying the debt ceiling limit to this entire deal. and the white house reacting. >> there is a lot of things i wanted in my l
lightly. if you were looking forf john boehner. i would say the op-ed andru naming paul ryan to basically boehner said we're going to the bush tax cuts, th signs are not good forpeople where the party should go. i think romn did better wn he started moderating but that's to be debated i guess with the republican partattention, the op-ed in the got a lot of raising the possibility that she may not have gone back= over as head n lead the tential just a joke or a lot obf cservatives who are still taking her seriously? >> sarah palin is a very interesting person. i think shen a big i'll give you e example, i'm in little rock r work for governor huckรกsab fo four years, a very intesting character because you would hel ot, heoverned by moving the ballwah a 87% docrat legislature and do he mandated arts, another b word, among t conservatives and arts education inhe gave heo are the children of parents who made too much money to get free health care but not enough to afford -- >> richard >> there is governance and moving the ball forward. we need more people like that. of a you just hear h
with campaign running mate congressman paul ryan. the famous red kettles of the salvation army could be hard to find this holiday season in one colorado city. a new panhandling law set to take effect next month that will ban those bell ringers and donation pots in part of downtown colorado springs. the city's mayor says the law aims to increase safety by keeping solicitors off any kind of streets. the ban is just way too broad. one hotel owner in that area tells fox news a salvation army bell ringer will be able to keep up a kettle inside the hotel courtyard because that is private property. the teenage actor who apparently had a religious revelation and called his own tv show a bunch of filth says he didn't mean to discredit his colleagues. an gas t. jones plays that kid on two and a half men. has for the past 10 years now. and makes about $350,000 per show. but in the video for some christian organization he told people don't watch it. he said he didn't want to tribute to the quote enemies plan. he is not exactly taking it all back but he does now say "i apologize if my remarks reflect me
that paul ryan, who was a national figure but far more recognized by those of us in the intellectual world and the common period and by others he could have walked through any airport outside of wisconsin in america and might well have gone unnoticed by one or two people. now obviously he is a significant national figure and clearly one in the mix for 2016. but he is in the mix for that kind of conservative community that is dominated let primary caucus process before. going along with these compromises that include tax increases as part of a package becomes a little tricky for him and also becomes tricky for john boehner because now you have with the young guns one of them is an even more than the enormous national figure. finally, let me say the next few weeks are not just about the fiscal cliff. we have a farm bill waiting for action. a farm bill that passed with 74 votes and this is an interesting template as we talk about the fiscal cliff. in the senate model of bipartisanship even in the midst of the greatest drought since the great depression, the house didn't act. whether they can
, the largely white state of iowa. it's not why he won the hometown of paul ryan, janesville, wisconsin. so there's just a factual issue. but third and biggest, and this is where you heard the louisiana governor, bobby jindal, installed yesterday as the chairman of the republican governors association. this is where you heard him coming in, that republicans say this is a just-doesn't-get-it moment for romney. it makes republicans think that the 47% comment was no slip of the tongue. at his press conference in las vegas yesterday, governor jindal, our reporter, says became visibly agitated about this and said these comments were absolutely wrong. and they come at a time when almost every other leading republican figure is saying the party really needs to look inside itself and change karl rove. in "the wall street journal" today, it's saying the republican party needs to reverse engineer what the obama campaign did in its turnout efforts. senator john cornyn of texas, the head of the senate republicans, as of yesterday, the number two senate republican under mitch mcconnell, saying the repub
for the country, those would be good signs. >> what was your immediate thinking about paul ryan and where did you end up thinking? >> my immediate was i cannot believe they're going to do this. just -- i -- axelrod always thought it was going to be paul ryan. >> he did not. he thought it was going to be tim pawlenty. >> ax looked at me and said they are going to pick paul ryan. at the time i thought to myself, they're going to spend a lot of time on defense on medicare, medicaid, all whole bunch of issues. >> they were not divisive issues. >> did you see how close florida was? i think they spent some time defending it. we obviously thought it was important. we air anded several labs -- aired several ads. i thought he added some youth and energy. they had a base concerns and he helped those. so i am not criticizing the pick i just think there were other -- >> you are. >> i was giving an assessment of the good and bad. >> was the helpful? he gave them excitement. he bought them silence from conservatives. did that help or hurt mitt romney? >> i do not think it did much of be there. here is the trut
would just like to see both paul ryan and mitt romney each answer the question individually how is it that both of you lost your hometowns? mitt romney lost his hometown, belmont, massachusetts. paul ryan lost his, janesville, wisconsin. how does that happen? you've got to be saying something wrong. >> mitt romney lost all of his hometowns. and there are many. there are many of them. mike allen, great to talk to you. thanks so much. >> see you soon. >> we'll see you. >>> "new york times" magazine mark leibovich and peter alexander join us next. more "morning joe" in a moment. anncr: some politicians seem to think medicare and... social security are just numbers in a budget. well, we worked hard for those benefits. we earned them. and if washington tries to cram decisions about the future... of these programs into a last minute budget deal... we'll all pay the price. aarp is fighting to protect seniors with responsible... solutions that strengthen medicare and... social security for generations to come. we can do better than a last minute deal... that would hurt all of us. sven g
of outlets about paul ryan marching around his campaign bus calling mitt romney the stench saying, tell stench i'm having finger stand witches with peggy noonan and will text him later. have you had stories like that where people actually took it seriously and it got spread around as if it was real news? >> oh, to an astonishing degree that happens. really almost every day something like that happens. maybe not on that large of a scale, but, yeah, a local newspaper, you know, there will be 100 facebook comments under one of our stories from people who think it's real. >> the state government media of iran. >> exactly. the government of iran for god's sake. it just happens a lot. so at this point it doesn't really faze us. it's just sort of like throw another one on the pile. >> my favorite one in this book was about james polk, one of our former presidents. it creates randomly this story about how nobody believed james polk had been elected president. secret service would routinely escort him out of the white house. will, do you have a favorite entry from this book, one that really stan
candidate. >> with finances, the right was pretty happy with the fact that paul ryan was chosen on the ticket considered to be a budget hawk on the hill. does he have a prospect, a brighter future because of the practice that he got out of going through this election and the lessons learned, possibly utilize that going forward? >> this conversation reminds me of the stephen colbert skit of a committee to explore the question of whether or not they should create a committee. you know, clearly ryan is i guess somewhat self appointed, new right young thing of the party and listening to john boehner's comments when asked if he's the leader of the party, there's disagreement in the party and bears remembering every time we have done this in the past election cycles, thought object who the likely candidates were, almost none of them ended up being the likely candidate. mitt romney is an exception and perceived to be a credible front-runner of 2012 and tim pawlenty. >> experience of '08? >> yeah. my point is -- >> traction. >> we project forward based on who's the luminaries now. it of
, paul ryan is in congress trying to draft person hood amendments that limit a woman's right to choose. they are not for lily ledbetter the fair pay act to give women equality in the workplace. and mitt romney's not for the employment nondiscrimination act. so -- >> we are -- thomas. >> yeah. >> we are an lgbt advocacy group, so of course, the freedom to serve in our nation's military, the freedom to marry are all vital issues of real concern to us. and after meeting with the candidate and speaking with the campaign frequently, we did come to the conclusion that we felt we could work with the romney administration on issues like workplace nondiscrimination. that said, you're right, we do currently disagree with governor romney on the issue of marriage. but that is a significant part of why log cabin republicans exist. we are republicans who can speak to other republicans to make the conservative case for these issues. i mean, we have watched the united states move very rapidly on these issues over the last ten years. and as much as president obama had a process to evolve on the issue o
have a plan, the paul ryan plan to save these mandatory spending programs where democrats bankrupt them. stuart: we listened to you. we have senator tom coburn releasing another report on government waste. the department of defense spending billions on nonmilitary research. i will call them outrageous projects. jesus saving fictional space aliens. can you believe this? money was spent on that. find out how much. that will be new at 10:00. gap went down the tubes. however, the stock today is way up. >> went down the tubes? >> it lost favor. >> it really was out of favor. the story has completely turned around. number one on the s&p, quarterly profit jumped up again. this quarter up 60%. they put in a turnaround plan last year, they ousted the top designer and expanded abroad and you know how much they're a year to date? 85%. anyone of our viewers say 85%, i will take it and maybe even pay taxes on it. stuart: thanks very much. the dow is dead flat and as we always say time is money so here is 30 seconds worth of that, those 5 our energy drinks mentioned in 13 deaths reported in the last
, and that is paul ryan. obviously, the budget guy on the republican side. if he's looking at his political future, is it smarter to be a deal maker or hard line conservative? >> well, see, the problem is it's sort of both. he wants to run another republican primary. he needs to be seen as sticking to his principles. he really doesn't have an incentive to move off particularly the main line principle of not raising taxes. in a republican primary, that can be a big problem, which ironically is the same problem for john boehner. he wants to retain his speakership. if he makes a deal before january 3rd, that's a question for him, too. ryan has a double incentive. on the one hand, the new republican party, quote, unquote, you would think being a deal maker makes more sense but there's still a primary and the base of the republican party hasn't moved. >> congressman tom cole is a republican from oklahoma. good morning. >> good to be with you. >> we said this is a numbers game. here's one bottom line -- 90% of americans will see their bills go up if you don't reach a deal. are republicans willing to com
a liberal perspective, say we need to do something as paul ryan has proposed with the entitlement system? >> we have done that. i realize conservatives don't accept that, but obamacare is deficit reduction. it's a little hard to quantify specifically because a lot of it's experimental, but most folks who look subjectively say the main drivers of deficit and debt is excessive health care spending. there's a way to constrain it that doesn't gut the system, that doesn't deny you health care that you need. the obamacare plan is let's try out a bunch of pilots and see what works best, and let's learn as we go. and so it strikes me as very short-sighted. even if you don't like it from the get go, look, i didn't like clinton's welfare reform at first. i was not onboard. but i wasn't out there in '96 saying repeal it. gave it a shot. and in some ways it worked better than i thought it would. and in some ways it doesn't. in some ways i think it could be improved. but it was good to try it. even if you're an opponent, because this deficit issue is so serious, this is arguably some of the best ways
's 62. i mean, paul ryan is thought of as a young gun. he's 42. that's eight years shy of being a card-carrying member of the aarp. ronald reagan was 69 when he first ran for president. many worried he was too old for the job until his famous quip during a debate. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> yes, reagan used age to his advantage. but seriously, how old is too old? remember senator strom thurman who commuted from walter reed to the capitol at the age of 100? his aides had to vote for him. of course, this argument isn't limited to the world of politics. ageism rages in the role world, too. how often have you heard those under 30 grumbling about those old guys sucking up all the jobs? so the talk back question of the day, should politicians have a mandatory retirement age? facebook.com/carolcnn. your responses later this hour. still the most dependable, longest-lasting full-size pickups on the road. and now we've also been recognized for lowest total cost of ownership -- based
, paul ryan spoke about losing the race because of urban voters. take a look. >> the polling we had, the numbers we were looking at looked like we stood a pretty good chance of winning. so when the numbers came in, going the other direction, when we see the kind of turnout that was occurring in urban areas, which were fairly unprecedented, it did come as a shock. those are the kind of losses, that catch you by surprise. >> co-founder of sun pac, conservative outreach program for the hispanic community jeb bush jr. >> thanks for having me. >> my pleasure. certainly the president won paul ryan's own district, which is white and suburban, won eric cantore's own district, white and suburban. what do you think is your reason ultimately for why the gop lost? >> i think as it relates to our our ban, latino and hispanic districts, we didn't get the message out. they had a better message tas relates to immigration and the economy. it was a tough night. we're looking forward to take a word from the presidential campaign, we're looking forward to the mid terms in 2016 and be working hard to ge
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